I have little experience with either, but Ill throw my two cents in on the 300 Weatherby and the 300 RUM. To understand it better, check the curve-. The goal of the review was to use 215 Bergers and H1000 and compare as closely as possible. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. However I shot the 300 PRC at 1000 yards quite a bit and a 6.5 PRC & 7 SAUM. Let it cool between each shot to maximize barrel life. Why not others? The 300 PRC actually has a little more freebore than I would want for a 215 Berger, but is not bad and allows the use of the longer bearing surfaces of the Hornady bullets. Left to right: Mik Maksimovic presenting a new rifle to a customer, Ryan Pierce out hunting and Harry Drescher from Solid Solution Designs. Check out the video below of the high performance 338LM at 1 mile that we shot in Sicily. It was straight jacket who did the barrel. I must admit that he used a brass solid over a copper solid, but still. 30 Nosler: Nosler = 99 gr. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. Burning barrels is not an issue with such volume to bore ratio as found in the 308win. How much does your rifle barrel wear cost? As with the SAAMI 300 Win Mag, the SAAMI 30 Nosler will allow the 215 Bergers boat tail junction to be seated at the neck/shoulder junction, but this cartridge greatly benefits from a custom throat. The other question I ask shooters that write to us at rifletalks.com is, do you want a 1-mile rifle or a rifle that can potentially shoot 1 mile?. In this way you maintain the performance level even better. Now I had a 28 nosler a few years ago for hunting on a tenacity with cip mags and had no issues with feeding. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. But, recoil is a necessary evil for any weapon. On the other hand my 6.5SS ran at 3250fps with 140 bergers in a 26 proof CF barrel with h-1000. Interested in the latest precision rifle updates? The more powder you burn through a small hole, the more your barrels burns out. It also has a larger barrel life. Harry: In order to answer this question, we should think about how the barrel is built and how it is constructed, that is a free-floating match barrel in a MTU style profile. Now, some typical features of a bullet are velocity, energy, time of flight, etc. Nosler produces six different hunting cartridges. The 30 Nosler is going to push a 215 Berger 3000-3100 fps most of the time. In SAAMI form it has an OAL of 3.7. When your barrel is freshly cut, and you start using it, it will wear out. The final load was pushing 215 Bergers at 2925fps. Sign me up for the newsletter! The 300 PRC is going to push a 215 Berger between 2950 and 3050 most of the time. All I hunt is elk so I prefer the 30 just for the larger bullets. Load capacity Charge/(case capacity x bulk density). Posted: 11/20/2014 2:05:30 AM EDT [#9] . Run two or three dry patches through before firing. Head to the about me section. The 30 Nosler has an almost similar Ballistic Coefficient. Still interested? bullet. However, as bullets start going the distance, the 28 Nosler starts dipping in elevation. Later in October 2016, Nosler continued to add to the cartridge family by releasing the .33 Nosler, and in January 2017 they introduced the .22 Nosler. The cases overall length also aids in quick follow-up shots, since the bolt throw is shorter than on a magnum action. When it comes to comparing ballistics, we have to set some grounds first. You can comment on this article or ask Ryan questions here. Maybe its another reason altogether. The first few hundred rounds will be the best that you get. The primary use for the .27 Nosler is hunting. Explore this site to compare these rounds . This is not the most voluminous brass but it handles pressure a little better than Norma or Nosler brass. The .33 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length 84.8mm (3.340in) as the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, and the .30 Nosler, which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action firearms. [16] The .33 Nosler is built on the same action length as the .338 Winchester Magnum but launches projectiles at a higher velocity. For a bullet to be accurate, its trajectory has to be as smooth as possible. All three come flying out the barrel at a blistering pace of 2,810 fps, 3,000 fps and 2,860 fps respectively. String of shots how many rounds are you expecting to shoot in a string? This factory cartridge OAL is what holds the Win Mag back when it comes to factory ammo options and is a major reason the guys at Hornady developed the 300 PRC. So, 28 Nosler takes the edge in terms of barrel life! What is the cost of ammo before you wear out the barrel? . [14] This feature helps weight-conscious sportsmen to lighten their load before venturing into the backcountry. My test rifle did not like either of them. So, its time to give the final verdict! Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. Links to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and other services inserted in the comment text will be automatically embedded. You gain what 2-3 grain powder on a case that already holds 93gr water capacity. S. Schw15 . The 30 Nosler is a relatively new cartridge in the world of bullets. Barrel wear or rather barrel burning comes from the immense heat that is generated whenever a cartridge is fired and youre effectively channeling all that energy through a small hole hence coining the term for some cartridges as over-bore cartridges. ADG = 101 gr. So, you have to shoot a bit away from the target, keeping in mind wind direction and windage. Rod: Do you see any big changes in high performing calibers or barrels used for them? I personally use RL33 which will produce the same speeds but offers much better barrel life . Rebating the rim to 13.6mm (0.534in) simplifies the production of rifle bolts since the rims of Holland & Holland-style belted magnums, such as the 7mm Remington Magnum and .300 Winchester Magnum, are the same diameter. The .30 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length 84.8mm (3.340in) as the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action firearms. The test rifle is my third 30 Nosler. To help you understand the ballistics, were going to discuss them in detail! The chart will help you get an idea about the windage and change of windage of the bullets based on distance. Ballistic Coefficient refers to the bullets ability to deal with air resistance. To help you understand, here are the cartridge size details for 28 and 30 NoslerSpecification28 Nosler30 NoslerParent Case.300 Remington Ultra Magnum.300 Remington Ultra MagnumBullet Diameter7.21 mm7.82mmNeck Diameter8.1 mm8.7mmShoulder Diameter13.4 mm13.4mmBase Diameter14.0 mm14.0mmRim Diameter13.6 mm13.6mmRim Thickness1.3 mm1.3mmCase Length65.8 mm64.9mmOverall Length84.8 mm84.8mmPrimer TypeLarge Rifle MagnumLarge Rifle Magnum. No one I know head spaces off the belt making it a moot point in my opinion. Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. I used Nosler brass for the 30 Nosler, which is the least voluminous of the available options. Well use it as a benchmark to help you understand load data better. Four of Nosler's Cartridges, .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler and .33 Nosler, are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. Due to its heavier size and higher muzzle velocity, its recoil is also higher. Western slope, Colorado. 8.6 BLACKOUT (NEW!) And for projectiles, please choose a good High BC bullet like WTC, Berger solid, Cutting Edge, SSD Holland. 10k rounds is not unheard of in service rifles. STAY UPDATED BY SIGNING UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER. Remember, keep load development short when testing hi performance rifle cartridges. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Maybe not? The Weatherby has the exact same case capacity as the Nosler but will have less usable capacity due to the length of the case, unless you want to single load. Cost is another key factor when it comes to choosing a product. Now I will be the odd man out that has never seen a huge difference in case design as far as performance. But that is no science behind that guess haha. However, barrel life has some other technicalities as well. The 28 Nosler bullets are 175 grains, while the 30 Nosler bullets are 180 grains. In terms of ballistics, it does a better job than its counterpart. To the OP, yes the 26 Nosler is a barrel burner. Harry: Choose a matching finished length and twist rate that really helps you achieve your ULR goals. Shoulder angles are 30 degrees for the Remington cartridge and a slightly sharper 35 degrees for the Nosler. And when it comes to Nosler, they are a proven name in the market. Had he been running a 300Norma, the outcome could have been very different. The .300 PRC was designed to specifically avoid this problem. To get a quick overview of the cartridges, check the following table-. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. Now, weve seen how the 30 Nosler survives the air better than 28 Nosler. Ryan: Theres quite a few variables that come into play for killing a barrel. How hot you get the barrel. Are you shooting at a pace similar to F-class?(editor: 1 round every 80 seconds or so) That will cut barrel life in half easily if you get the barrel really hot all the time. I keep my barrels cool whenever possible. During load development Ill wait a couple minutes between shots and use a chamber cooler during that time. The type of powder used will have an effect on barrel life also. I generally dont let the barrels on my big magnums get really dirty.Extreme spread and accuracy opens up when that happens, due to carbon build up etc. The shoulder is set back slightly compared to the 5.56 cartridge to prevent accidentally chambering a 5.56 cartridge in a .22 Nosler rifle. However, the windage depends on a lot of external factors. The information here is pretty self-explanatory. A 300win mag can shoot 1 mile as will your 30-06 and your 284Win as I saw at the king of 1 mile with the excellent shooting of Cap Beng from France. The problem for me was the groups would grow a little let's say from 3/8 to 3/4 Moa, but not all the bullets would get to the target. They have a plethora of products that have become household names in the world of shooting. My Extreme Long Range Shooting Story Meet Gene Nowaczyk. To tame a barrel burner, don't shoot fast . 30 Nosler vs the 300 PRC and more. I will not discuss reamer prints used for the review. Thats 3 years of practice with enough life in the barrel to bag tons of meat. Replies 151 Views 5K. The .30 Nosler is a 30-caliber (.308 in; 7.62 mm), rebated . Rifle sights like the Pinty Red Green Reflex Scope or the Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 are worth a shot! Before we get into the load development, I will discuss factory offerings. If youre someone shooting on a regular basis, knowing your cartridges barrel life is important. Rifle barrels are usually made from steel alloys called ordnance steel, nickel steel, chrome-molybdenum steel, or stainless steel, depending upon the requirements of the cartridge for which they are chambered. In this article, were going to settle the debate once and for all. Consult a Powder Heat Index Chart. I also tested a few select factory ammo offerings in each. Keep reading as we go in-depth to help you out! Rod: How far off are these cartridges in terms of barrel wear from traditional cartridges like 300win mag by todays performance standards and materials? That is absolutely true. According to the chart above, both of these bullets start losing velocity within the first 300-500 yards. If you disagree, I would just stick with the 300 Win Mag. . The Hornady brass has a total water capacity of around 96 grains. The best way to determine such efficiency is by checking their trajectory. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Before we get into the details, lets give you a quick rundown of the features. It requires less than half the windage of my 308win seen below making my shots more forgiving in the same wind condition. One of the easiest ways to measure a bullets effective range is by its supersonic range. The 300 PRC was commercially introduced in late 2018. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The short answer is these three cartridges will compete very closely to each other. Since the .28 Nosler burns smaller powder charges than the 7mm RUM, barrel accuracy life is potentially a bit longer. 9, or from reading too many Jack OConnor stories. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. The Nosler factory ammo has proved to be very accurate and it can be fire formed from 280 Remington (it head spaces the same). Mine is doing 3250ft/s with a 215berger, its no slouch. To keep the test about all out performance, the 215 Berger pressured out with H1000 around 3050 fps. For the Nosler 30, you can get something like the Browning X-Bolt pro which is in the range of $1500-2000. Lets take a hunting rifle chambered in 300Norma such as those built by Ryan Pierce. The .22 Nosler is a SAAMI approved and standardized cartridge. The trend continues for as long as the bullets propagate further. It was a hot load and only got 3-4 firings with Norma brass but shot 3-5 groups at my 1110 yard plate and 1.5-2.5 groups at my 755 plate and just didnt shoot its best any slower so I kept rolling at 3250. Accuracy is as good as the rifle and the ammunition you feed it; most premium-ammo-fed modern rifles will shoot under 1-MOA, and some will shoot much better. Best Wishes You need the right weapon for the bullet to work. Mike at Hells Canyon Armory chambered the 30 Nosler test rifle using one of his 26 barrels. 300Norma, we prepared this in detail write up. Some very reputable gun builders are seeing half the barrel life when using N570 compared to other powders with lower heat indexes such as H1000. Muzzle energy plays a key role in this regard. Firing a 210 gr. Few who own rifles chambered for the new cartridge and take good care of them will wear out a barrel during a lifetime of hunting. Your email address will not be published. If the recoil is high, the backward energy is also higher. Mik: Hey Rod, firstly, rifle barrelsdontwearout they BURN out. The .28 Nosler is a 7mm (.284") caliber, rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. If youre reading this, it probably concerns you. Rod: How many rounds do you expect your high performing 300Norma/ 28Nosler hunting rifles to go?. I have a 30SM, it pushes 215s 2950 in a proof cf 20 barrel with n570. A side benefit is you'll push out a lot of powder fouling. Just a great caliber. However, in this case, it still falls short when it comes to the range. While the .26 Nosler and .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. However, another factor in consideration is the weight of the bullets. The fact is the 30 Nosler and 300 PRC were made to compete with the 300 Win Mag, so this is why I am focusing on these three. Rigby: Barrel life with traditional rifles like this Rigby in 375H&H is almost infinite. It is the fourth cartridge designed by Nosler. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. mag has been around in factory form since 1963. Also, who did he get to chamber the bartlein? If you want to read more about the 300Norma, we prepared this in detail write up. Finding the right cartridge can drastically improve your shooting experience. So, we chose the best versions of the bullets to help you out. To help you understand, well compare 28 and 30 Noslers load data with the H1000 powder. The .33 Nosler is a .33-caliber (.338in; 8.6mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. Voere X3 rifle topped with leading Steiner tactical optics on offer. Nosler plans to use a 1:8.5" (216mm) twist barrel for their M48 rifles chambered in .27 Nosler. This will give you 92% load capacity. Here, energy refers to the damage caused by the bullet. Where a 338lapua magnum can do easily 3000 rounds without loss off accuracy, Formula 1 cartridges like 375CT, 33xc, and the others mentioned will engage your barrel rapidly. In the world of high-performance rifle cartridges, barrel life maybe a short season. Above: a bartlein 308 barrel just before engaging the rifling forward of the lead, its brand new, only fired a proofing round through it. When firing a 9.7g (150gr) AccuBond Long Range bullet from a rifle with a 660mm (26in) barrel, the .27 Nosler has an approximately 120m/s (400ft/s) advantage over the .270 Winchester, about a 90m/s (300ft/s) advantage over the .270 WSM, and about a 3046m/s (100150ft/s) velocity advantage over the .270 Weatherby. Yeah I just chalk up the fire forming of 100 rounds to watching the barrel speed up and find some good lower velocity nodes, finding a decent seating depth then stretching it's legs for indications on it's general accuracy. Its parent cartridge is the .404 Jeffery. This month we look into rifle barrel life with 3 top gunsmiths on both sides of the Atlantic to get a shot at this highly energized topic amongst competitors, hunters and ELR shooters alike. If burning barrels concerns you more than the performance you can achieve, than that level of performance is probably not for you or you dont need it. But before that, lets understand how load capacity works. Are you still with me? If brass is no longer available, for whatever reason, when my barrel is toast I guess I am moving on to another cartridge so the is it going to stick around? argument means nothing to me. Does short barrel life hold you back from that shiny new cartridge youve been craving for? Want to know more about us? A 338 Lapua burns circa 90grains of powder under a larger .338 bullet. So, how do you know when theyre the most effective? To retain 1800fps & 1500ft/lbs (my elk criteria) at 7000'AMSL & 30F (typical conditions where we hunt elk): .280AI is a 985yd rifle (1967fps & 1500ft/lbs) 28N is a 1325yd rifle (1861fps & 1500ft/lbs) 28N, at 985yds, still carries 2140fps & 1980ft/lbs, beating the .280AI by almost 200fps & 480ft/lbs of energy on target, and with 25" less drop . Youre spending a few thousands on that trophy Ibex, barrel life in comparison is nothing, you guessed it! The velocity also comes at play here since kinetic energy is determined based on velocity and the formula is-.
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