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We are visiting the USA and were going to buy one Boulevard and one Frontier for 2 and 5 year olds but may buy two Boulevards and use the Boulevard for a year for the five year old if we need to. The article from Consumer Reports created quite a buzz and we know that our readers are looking to us to provide thoughtful and reasonable commentary on this issue. Once Consumer Reports has released their full testing, we may have more information and also have some insight on which models they believe to perform better in their more severe testing protocol that goes beyond government standard testing. Maxi-Cosi RodiSport Booster Review: Stylish, Versatile, Comfy, Speed limiter mandate overdue for large trucks, New Hyundai EV earns Top Safety Pick+. If your child is 40 pounds or more and mature enough to use a booster seat, that is a fine option for a 5-year old as well and will save a lot of money, too. We understand that this news is stressful to parents and caregivers who already own these seats. Suggesting we switch to the seatbelt if over 40 pounds eliminates the benefits of the Britax seats, which means I spent more for nothing. Heather, Kecia, Darren & Team: The Most Trusted Source for Car Seat Reviews, Ratings, Deals & News Since 2008. My 43lb 4.5yr old son sits in the 2015 Boulevard and int he Frontier. Can you please advise? For the record, there were no issues observed when Consumer Reports tested the Frontier CT with the smaller 3-year-old ATD. Car seats should be tested this way too, if only to help find which ones provide an extra degree of safety in more types of real-world crashes. Ugh Currently, 213 compliance testing involves a test sled with a bench seat from a 70s era vehicle with lap only belts and LATCH anchors. Do we know if the Nautilus was one of the models tested by CR? Some models have deeper head wings than others, and some have external cushions or impact absorbers as well. So, this type of information may be used to indicate which seats perform better relative to other models in the same crash test, but whether or not they they are actually safer is not known. I need some more info. Similarly, it is impossible to say if there is any absolute number for a real world risk of injury that would deem a model safe or unsafe. The Consumer Reports crash test was designed to be more challenging in order to establish which child safety seats provide additional margins of safety above and beyond the federal crash test standards (FMVSS 213). Every parent or caregiver has to weigh the pros and cons and make decisions based on their personal circumstances. I have a Graco Nautilus 80 3 in 1. The government has minimum requirements, but there are also additional tests including their NCAP 5-star testing (35mph frontal) and a battery of IIHS tests (at least three conducted at 40mph) that go above and beyond the basic federal safety standards. My husband is way more decisive than me and he bought the Chicco. Heres what we know so far, In CRs crash evaluations, testers found that the load-bearing components at the rear of the seats broke when tested with dummies whose weight was near the seats limits for its harness system. The Britax Frontier ClickTight Harness-2-Booster, Britax Pioneer Harness-2-Booster, Cosco Finale DX, Graco Atlas &Harmony Defender 360 all experienced some sort of structural damage during this very challenging crash test. Child restraints should be, too. with the harness. Hi Melissa. I would have no concerns using the harness up to 50 lbs, given the limited information we have. Clearly, all these seats are still going to offer good protection in many crashes as they meet or exceed FMVSS testing. I hope that reminder offers you a little piece of mind if you are otherwise happy with your Britax seats. The headrest adjustment and harness support structures on the Frontier ClickTight broke when tested with the 6-year-old dummy (ATD) who weighs 52 lbs. Thank you for the suggestion and all the comment! The company also said that CRs testing did not take into account practical matters such as how the car seat fits or installs into vehicles, which affects overall safety greatly Harmony pointed to what it described as several discrepancies within Consumer Reports testing that differs from other testing, both independent and internal that would impact the testing results greatly. The company did note that it appreciates all comments from customers as well as independent bodies such as Consumer Reports as all such information is always used in the ongoing improvements of all our products.. The seats are tested at approximately 30 mph. Considering how problematic it is to test and pass regular FMVSS 213 crash testing with the 10-year-old ATD, its unlikely that we will see any other manufacturer introduce new products with harness weight limits beyond 65 lbs. When this news came out, we quickly switched our 47 lb 5-year-old from our Britax Pinnacle CT to a Diono Radian that we had sitting in storage. This was the only seat in all the combination seats Consumer Reports tested that was subjected to testing with the 10-year-old dummy who weighs 78 lbs. The structure that anchors the tether strap to the shell broke in 3 out of 3 tests with the 6-year-old dummy (ATD). This is rather infuriating. I purchased the Britax Pinnacle mainly for the 90lbs limit on harness. (Finale & Defender) or 70 lbs. However, the shoulder belt guide on Finale is only required when its necessary to achieve proper belt fit and therefore it can be skipped for many taller kids who dont need it for proper shoulder beltpositioning. For those of us who are CPS Technicians, this is our gospel. Since she sleeps so much, Id recommend a harnessed seat until you can get her to stop slumping over (it may never happen, but some parents have had success teaching their kids to look up when they get sleepymaybe put a sticker on the ceiling to look at). Flying with a Car Seat? with the harness, it was tested again with the weighted 6-year-old ATD (62 lbs.). An additional 5 miles per hour may not seem like a big deal, but the difference can increase the energy in a crash by almost 40%. Was the child/dummy injured when the seat broke. This type of failure is not a design feature to allow intentional lengthening of the harness. I already had the pioneer used as a booster in my husbands car. Simply, when products are designed to pass multiple types of tests at different impact angles and energies, they are likely to perform better in real-world crashes that can vary even more. Thanks. Newer versions of Diono convertibles transitioned to a 65-pound weight rating around 2017, so may or may not have been voluntarily tested with the 10-year dummy after that time. If you already own a Britax Frontier or Pioneer:If your child meets the weight and height criteria for using the Frontier/Pioneer in booster mode (at least 40 lbs. The fact that a structural element in the seat failed during a test doesnt tell us much of anything. Instead, it was tested with the 10-year-old ATD who weighs 78 lbs. I really like the easy installation on the Frontier, and I think my kids will be mature enough to sit properly once they finally reach 40lbs (they are 7 and 5, but very very skinny!!). Know Your Rights! This breakage also resulted in pieces of sharp plastic in areas that may contact the child. If you are under the weight where problems were observed, there is not likely any issue. Im an engineer and I work in an industry where life safety is paramount and Im not hitting the panic button on this CR report. Scarey! Hi Rhonda, the Marathon ClickTight did well in CRs testing a few years ago. What i dont understand is if the current crash tests are done using a lap belt with nothing infront of it. is the Maxi Cosi Pria 85 convertible and she wont fit well in it (you may be able to find one at a BuyBuyBaby or specialty store to try it out). but is 35 mph into a wall a survivanble crash anyways? This occurred in both tests with the 6-year-old ATD (52 lbs.) Angie, we totally understand your frustration and there are many other Britax owners who feel the same way you do about this new information. Fill in your email address below and well send you a link to quickly reset your password. For now, all we know is that the models mentioned had partial breakage and in a couple cases, had major failures with the harness pulling through the shell for higher weight children. I just swiched the frontier today to booster mode. Really, the Frontier or Pinnacle are your only options since shes 65 lbs. Also, as we mentioned, these seats all pass federally required testing up to the maximum. Therefore, its possible that the Pinnacle would have experienced issues similar to what was observed with the Frontier if it had been tested. I also dont know for sure about testing requirements, but I will try to get an answer for you. I know that doesnt answer your question, but they just dont publish that degree of information. This enabled the tether strap to extend, which resulted in increased head excursion (meaning the dummy moved farther forward than it would have otherwise). Shes 65lbs and 48 in. I will call Chicco so I can be sure everything is okay. and 45 tall), consider whether or not your child may be ready to use the seat as a booster. But it is a huge bummer and eye opening to find out about the crash test measures. The only other seat with a weight limit above 65 lbs. Consumer Reports recommends switching to booster mode at 40 pounds or replacing the seat. My husband bought a My Fit LE, the belt is awesome but I hear some rattling (it doesnt happen when my son is on but it brought me doubts). How can that possibly compare to a real world crash? (I just canceled my order for the pinnacle and need something else asap!). Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) defines a child to mean a person whose weight is not less than 9 kg (20 lbs) and not more than 30 kg (65 lbs). As always, we will do our best to present the facts in a clear and concisemanner so that parents can understand the scope of the issues and CPS Technicians can help educatethe families we work with. In some cases, there will be little or no concern at all to continue using the harness system. Ultimately, there just isnt enough information for us to tell parents exactly what to do or not to do at this time. As this post states, CRs test protocol and test setup is proprietary, and they dont release the actual data for anyone else to review. Since the Frontier ClickTight had issues in their testing, it receives only a BASIC rating for crash protection, meaning that it meets all the required and necessary standards from NHTSA (the federal government) but it does not provide greater margins of safety, in their opinion, when tested with the bigger ATDs who weigh more than 50 lbs. The tests by Consumer Reports do NOT apply to booster mode use. For a child who meets the requirements to use a seatbelt with a booster, a dedicated booster is much less expensive and just as effective. Instead, it was tested with the 10-year-old ATD who weighs 78 lbs. If harnessing over 65 lbs is not the safest, what seats/boosters provide support to help keep her upright? They included a blocker plate (pictured below) mounted in front of the vehicle seat to simulate a front seatback surface for potential interaction with the carseat and/or the dummy inside. using the harness, this seat was tested with both the 6-year-old ATD and the 10-year-old ATD. Unfortunately, I cant comment about the differences that may exist between USA and Canada spec Pioneer models, if any. Ive seen reviews that the Frontier belt got stucked and Im scared that happens with my Honda Civic (I had hard time installing the EvenfloPlatinum Symphony DLX and sometimes the belt feels hard to move). If Im going to replace my Britax, I dont need a 3 or 4 in 1 -both of my kids are old enough that I just need a forward facing 5 point harness to booster. Correct. However, none of these seats are rated beyond 65 lbs. Everyone needs to make their own opinion on how to interpret these results. Keep in mind that until the crash test results and full rating of all the combination seats tested in this round are released, we are forced to focus on the limited information we have been provided with so far. My son is 48 inches tall with 17 inche torso height. We just bought it, But i have problems with the seatbelt being pinched and not retracting at all in the belt guide. Hi Jessica, just to clarify, the Pioneer is rated at 70 pounds in the USA. These seats are so expensive and to find out that they cant perform as promised is so disappointing. Arent those still in use in the booster mode? Infant car seats, convertible car seats and booster seats for every age and stage, Compact, lightweight and fully-loaded strollers for every lifestyle, Get a Britax car seat & stroller in one convenient box, Safety resources to support you through your journey, Not seeing items youve added? This means that a forward facing harnessed seat cannot be rated higher than 30 kg in Canada. I assume the seat is mostly the same. So I just sold my chicco nextfit and am using my sons pioneer for my 3 1/2 year old who is 30 lbs. We have mostly Britaxs a 2015 Boulevard and a 2016 Boulevard as our main carseats, and Frontier (and a Graco) in the less driven car. I have a Diono Pacifica that says it harnesses to 90 lbs forward facing and 50 lbs rear facing, does that mean it too passed FMVSS with a 10 year old dummy? In booster mode, the seat belt is doing the restraining, not the harness, so the belt guides in the headrest are just there for support not structure. This allowed the harness to pull through the shell and loosen as the dummy moved forward. Hes definitely not mature enough for a booster. We appreciate your comments and I agree with everything you stated. and in both tests with the weighted 6-year-old ATD (62 lbs.) He says it confortable and he loves the kid console (probably the actual reason of his love ha). Im in the same boat Angie. CarseatBlog makes no representations as to accuracy, completeness, currentness, suitability, or validity of any information on this site and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. The Consumer Reports crash test was designed to be more challenging in order to establish which child safety seats provide additional margins of safety above and beyond the federal crash test standards (FMVSS 213). We would also like statistically significant information of this type. I researched each seat extensively prior to purchasing so that I could ensure my children would be riding in the safest car seat, with the ability to use the harness past the 40lb mark now Im not sure i feel safe having them in these seatsand to add to that these seats were quite expensive! Yeesh! Since you already have the MyFit, I would suggest you first call Chicco about the rattling issue. Thesupport hardware on the back of the shell (near the shoulder area) brokein 3 out of 4 tests with the 6-year-old dummy (ATD). What would you do at this point? The Frontier CT was not tested with the weighted 6-year-old ATD since its harness capacity is 90 lbs. Its a serious flaw that effectively allows the harness to loosen and can significantly increase head excursion and the risk of a secondary impact or head strike. By developing their own test protocol, the aim was to determine which seats offered anextramargin of safety in certain crash conditions simulated by the new tests. I can no longer put off getting a seat for my just turned 5 yr old. Other times, the child could be leaning forward or have their head titled downward to look at a book or device. Do you have any information on this seat? Since the Pioneer is rated to 70 lbs. The seats rated up to 65 lbs. The vehicle seatbelt system provides the restraint in a crash and is not dependent upon the performance of the booster except to make sure the child is positioned correctly. A 90 pound dummy would pass the US test but not the CA one? https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2010-90/FullText.html#h-15. Of course, how much safer these models may be will never be known, it could me minimal or very significant, but Consumer Reports does not publish and may not even correlate such injury data to their crash testing. If you already own a Cosco Finale: Consumer Reports recommends switching to booster mode use at 40 pounds (as long as the child is at least 43 tall) or replacing the seat. with the harness, it was tested again with the weighted 6-year-old ATD (62 lbs.). I own both a frontier and a pioneer seat and this new finding angers me! This is important because in the real world we know children are often injured when they come into contact with the back of the front seat during a crash. However she has been in a European seat in belted mode for the last year so if the seat is safe in belted mode we can use it this way. The problem is, in many side impacts, the vehicle has forward momentum. Since the Pioneer had issues in CR testing, it receives only a BASIC rating for crash protection, meaning that it meets all the required and necessary standards from NHTSA (the federal government) but it does not provide greater margins of safety, in their opinion, when tested with the bigger ATDs who weigh more than 50 lbs. I noticed the Pioneer harness is only marketed as being good up until 65 pounds in Canada, whereas in the US it is marketed for 90 pounds. Regarding your last comment on possible designed/intended failures, we know that energy-management features are incorporated into the designs of many child restraint products (e.g., collapsible honeycomb structures, rip-stitch tethers, harness load-limiters like Dionos SafeStop) but based on what we know about how and where these seats experienced structural damage, I find it highly unlikely that these were intentional failure modes intended to mitigate risk in very severe crashes. Ive noticed I havent seen them on the market much any more and cant find any recall information on my particular model. And I was planning to get my older child a larger combination seat so we can continue using the Diono for extended rear facing but now Im torn as to whether a new rear facing seat would be a better buy and let the older child continue using the Pacifica when harnessed and otherwise use a booster! I have both the frontier and pioneer. Crashes at 35-40 mph are severe on occupants, but vehicles are designed to protect their passengers in these higher speed impacts. All of these seats were tested with the Hybrid III 3-year-old dummy (ATD) who weighs 35 lbs. As such, Consumer Reports only reports such failures due to breakage, it does not indicate any other measures from the crash testing or risk of injury that may be involved. Currently, these seats are the ONLY combination seats that can do that. The Consumer Reports test is very limited as its just one type of frontal crash and does not include side impacts or any other information, but it is a step in the right direction.

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