In a shop rather than mail-order! You could fit 27.5 wheels but on a pre-2016 frame youll be limited to about a 2.1 tire. https://eu.huntbikewheels.com/products/schwalbe-nobby-nic-2-35-snake-skin-front-schwalbe-nobby-nic-2-25-snake-skin-rear-tubeless-tyre-combo?variant=30587737800759, From my understanding should be good but I am totally green in this area. The wheelset you linked to appears to be thru-axle, which is not compatible with the rear dropouts on the frame. Why bother with wheels only 5.5 percent smaller than 29ers, only 3.8 percent bigger than 26 inch, if they cost extra and reduce parts availability? Holding 30-40kmh on the flat for more than a few hours requires some exceptional fitness. These rims are pretty much the same width as the Bontragers on my Trek Hybrid, just smaller in diameter. If you're talking early flight, its hard to beat Otto Lilienthal. That would be the 20 frame for mountain models, and the 21 frame for pavement models. Car not in budget. It has been very helpful. FWIW, motorcycles are mid drives. by TroySmith80 Dec 03 2015 12:26am, Post I cant find 1.38 tires anywhere. Im looking at buying a used one but there is no mention of a frame size on the bike. The issue I see for a country road commuter with using a 406 wheel is 53/11 gearing at 90 rpm topping out at 24.5 mph. Will they fit? ISO 622 is not 29 inches. The tires were so badly deteriorated that the sidewall was unreadable. What Im finding while shopping is it seems wheels meant for road tires are usually larger diameter, and mountain tires are available in 26 but are all much wider (2+) and (obviously) in tread patterns intended for off-road. I found an old catalog and it said my tires are 38mm. The front cargo might be affecting the ride a lot too. (sadly Google have this as a top search result). I have acquired a pair of 2nd hand 26 rims which I am told take 1.95 to 2.1 but I would like to fit them with a 1.50 tyre. By eyeballing, seems the forks cannot handle the size. Question is can/what tires can i use to replace the 700 38, i mainly do single tracks. You mention your current tire width is 2, but refer to the potential replacement as 1.5 wide wheel. 26 wheels have a long history in the bike industry. But increase the load with extra weight and a steep hill to extrapolate the performance at launch from a stop and the 20" wheel will accelerate almost twice as fast in the beginning. His work led the Wright Bros to relocate to someplace windier.. Kitty Hawk NC, where all this is required learning when you are a young hanggliding instructor there teaching on and flying the same dunes the Wrights did their non powered glider tests on. It is a souce of confusion because sometimes you say 20 inch and wanted 451 but got the 406 instea and vice versa. Except with disc-brake wheels, swapping wheel sizes will leave you not only with changed geometry and handling, but with problems aligning cantilever, V type or caliper brakes. I need a bike as basic transportation for visiting friends, taking dog to the park, around town errands, grocery shopping with the dog trailer. The tires on my foldie are Schwalbe Durano and the markings read 28-451 (20 x 1 1/8). Hi, I have a haibike trekking 5.0 with 700x38c road tyres fitted, I would like to fit something a bit wider and grippy for occasional off road/track use. While the diameter for both 29 and 700c wheels is the same at 622mm, rims made for mountain bikes are generally wider to accommodate wider tires. Hi Susan. by dogman dan Dec 03 2015 7:53am, Post Its hard to say without knowing the geometry and clearance for that specific frame and fork. If its recommended for a 1.5 tire, then youll likely be fine with a 2 tire unless its a very narrow rim. The common names for wheel sizes are usually an approximation of the outside diameter with a tire mounted to the rim. Im going to have to email them and also measure the internal width of my current rim. A few bikes Ive researched had the reasonable price, the low Step through and the aluminum frame that I need but tires listed as 700c. There is not a single standard for bicycle rim width, and they do vary. My first recommendation is to find a fork with a straight steerer, but you might be able to replace the headset on the bike in order to use the tapered one. To mount a 2 tire, you would want the rim to have an internal width of at least 17mm. Thanks for your wheel size article by the way. The particular fork you linked to has a tapered steerer tube (1 1/8 at the top, 1 1/2 at the bottom), but our frames are made for straight 1 1/8 steerer tubes. The Highline, and all of our current mountain models, can accommodate up to a 2.4 tire. Your discussion is very helpful, but I just hope I can find the right rims and spokes and still remember how to lace a wheel. There would really be no minimum rim width for a 28mm tire since thats a fairly narrow tire in the greater scheme of things. Hi- this is probably the most basic question ever- and I feel dopey asking but because Im not bike savvy the tech talk has my head spinning. So, give yourself some way to drop your torso as low as possible. 20" stows in a smaller space.. the biggest impediment to speed is the power output of the engine. Given a 72V pack and 40A controller, they both hit the same 40 mph top speed. It is common question here and looks like 26 is dead and people will be upgrading. By logging into your account, you agree to our. by madin88 Dec 05 2015 2:50pm, Post Where can I find one like that? Im currently running 700 38 for my MTB that came with a rather skinny rubber causing me to loose control on sandy trails ( off road). Hi Jim. So none of that really applies to how hub motors run. A small wheeled bike (e.g. https://eu.huntbikewheels.com/products/hunt-trailwide-mtb-wheelset?variant=31723704221751#techspecs document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Receivenew products, special offers, and exciting news from Montague riders around the globe. I can hold around 44 on the flat for about 15 minutes but its very hard. What are the standard widths on bicycle rims? Specialised even made extra narrow very high pressure 1.25 tires to fit mtb 26-inch whhels, i havent seen these since the mid-1990s in the USA, but you could enqire with a Specialised dealership. I want to order new wheels for it, but I want to order the right size How come the wheels themselves measure 16 but are rated as a 20? After ignoring my advice to order and wait for a better bike, an impatient buddy of mine went and ordered a Royce Union RMT from Amazon, now hes not happy with the tires on it (and a whole bunch of other crap, but thats another can of worms I wont get into) https://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/models/fs-reba-rl-a9, https://eu.huntbikewheels.com/products/hunt-trailwide-mtb-wheelset?variant=31723704221751#techspecs, https://eu.huntbikewheels.com/products/schwalbe-nobby-nic-2-35-snake-skin-front-schwalbe-nobby-nic-2-25-snake-skin-rear-tubeless-tyre-combo?variant=30587737800759, https://www.jensonusa.com/Cane-Creek-40-ZS44EC44-Headset-Tapered, Shimano STEPS E-Bikes: E-Tube Ride Mobile App, Wired Magazines Best Folding E-Bike: The Montague M-E1. This is why kids bikes typically use smaller wheels, and some small adult road bikes will use 650b wheels instead of 700c. If a bike has 700c tires does that make the bike/frame taller/bigger? Answering the threads question is a matter of many compromises. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. full size folding bikes. https://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/models/fs-reba-rl-a9 RockShox Reba RL (same as in Elite model) and Wheelset to: Main difference between riding 16" and 20" wheels? Is there a publically available (free) published standard? The Montague Paratrooper Highline and Paratrooper Elite both use 27.5 wheels, and are the first folding bikes in the world to do so. The tires say 26 x 1.38. Wheel size won't slow you down. Thanks for your help in advance The effect of the increase in rolling resistance is minuscule and is likely to be more than offset by the aerodynamic gain of a lower bike and smaller wheels especially considering an ebiker's higher typical speed. Will/can the frame hold 27.5 wheels? I am trying to set up a bike from that era that had sewups, and has been used with 27 beater wheels for some decades. by dogman dan Dec 05 2015 6:47am, Post Get the geometry right and the bike is rock solid. But for all the reasons stated above and to have enough wheel inches to pedal, I would choose a 26. And with normal bike, it is normal to go with 50 60 km/h but with 20" wheeled bike, i dont know if it is easy. Last thing. Id like to change the tire, but Id like to know the minimum tire width that can be applied. by Voltron Dec 03 2015 1:15pm, Post It seems the rim/bicycle manufacturers and the tire manufacturers are taking in different languages. Slower winds help some, and a gear motor works well too if you don't jump much and shear the axle key all the time. and the width (external) measure 22mm. You should also just confirm that it has a 135mm hub width, but that is fairly standard. As long as the new tire is 26 in diameter, you should be able to choose anything relatively close to the original in width. My 16 Raleigh RSW-16 3-speed is geared so the gear inches are the same as a regular 3-speed 26 bike. Why are there so many options? Likely in 1895 or so. Hi, This size is used on some racing BMX bikes and a handful of classic British shopping bikes. Advertising - ISO 451 wheels are quite rare on modern bikes so most often you can assume that a 20 wheel is ISO 406. Frame size should be a factor of the riders height and proportions, while wheel size should be more a consideration of the type of bike and riding style. Any wheel types help with ease of pedaling? The size is still referred to as 650b when used on road or gravel bikes, but it has also been adopted and renamed by the mountain bike industry. Regardless, bicycle rims can accommodate a range of tire widths so you dont need to get the exact same size as the original. I have Alexrims HRD 622-17 29 They were originally booted with 700x45c tyres. I searched for 20 tires and the specs indicate 406 (20 x 1 3/8) fit my 22mm rim width? - 10kW belt drive with Neumotor 8057: [url]. As with most bike wheel naming conventions, the term 26 inch does not refer to the diameter of the wheel itself, but rather the approximate outside diameter of the tire that fits this wheel size. by MadRhino Dec 02 2015 10:09am, Post by Chalo Dec 04 2015 8:01pm, Post He then exclaims " I can't wait to bring my wife with me on the next trip!". One thing that makes bicycle wheel sizes notoriously confusing is the use of different names for the same size. by Ykick Dec 05 2015 5:58pm, Post How do you know whats best for your style of riding? by sendler2112 Dec 05 2015 6:05am, Post If youre considering a Montague bike, I would certainly recommend our large frame size at your height. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use. The advantage of small stowage outweighs the disadvantages associated with small wheels. For serious off-road riding hubmotors simply aren't the correct answer. You would want the rim to have an internal width of at least 17-18mm for a 38mm tire. I'd worry more about brakes at that speed. It was my dads bike and I am trying to make it operable again. Some tires have the main wall casingfilling out the full nominal width, some have a slightly smalker casing but very prominent rread knobs that stick out to thr sides, so you cant always go by the stated size. Tire width is another consideration. Someone just gave me 700 38 tires. 27.52.4 possible you say? I only have small-wheelers. The wheel size commonly referred to as 24 has an ISO diameter of 507mm or about 19.9. Contact Us - I routinely ride much more than 30km/h every day. Nice bike otherwise though A do over with a 26" front wheel, and shock fork might help a lot. is the second number the width and if so how does that compare to the townie oem wheel? Just my 2 cents. above 3000watts and fitted with 16" moped tires will give a better ride, traction, cornering power, than 26" wheels. What could be the problem, Hi there,Im looking to buy my first bike and Im looking to get one juts to cycling in the city on the weekends. Am I missing something? So if you have a lot of stop and go traffic, then the 20 will be much quicker. Your email address will not be published. Alex. Thanks for ANY help!! You should be able to source a 26 quick release mountain bike wheel that accepts a threaded freewheel (which would allow 6 speed). I am having a hard time finding road or hybrid tires similar to the ones currently on my bike in 26 x 1.5 size. At last an article that actually seems to give accurate information upon how to size/measure a bicycle wheel! He sees an old woman go it a small room, and then minutes later a young beauty step out of the same door. And making it easier to get a little more top end pedaling without running some kind if jackshaft, or Schlumpf drive at the crank is one of the things heading me towards a bigger back wheel, but then my commute changed and I do a lot less long and straight runs, so it sort of dropped in importance now that sprinting is dominating. It's for hub motors that a wheel smaller than 26" works well, and,,,, for street. By default, the tires fitted are 700c x 35mm. I have a Giant road bikecwith 70023 tires. The closest Ive been able to come is 26 x 1 3/8. 26 x 1 3/8 is a fairly common tire size. I'd recommend the Tern as it has a better frame hinge than the Dahon. Regarding tire size, a 2.4 is the absolute maximum you could fit in the rear frame of the Paratrooper. 28, 29 or 700c? Can you help me understand what size tires these are or what size I need to buy, in current tire terms? My last bike was a Dawes Stratos (89). The tires are very sleek and it does not suit my riding style as I am not speed riding. Why dont you mention of and elaborate more on size 28 wheel as commonly used in Dutch citybike? Gearing and tires will make a bigger difference. The rims dont have any markings designating their size. with tires: I don't like it very much because it rides too rough. Little off comment here but could you tell me how to judge frame size on a Montague? I think 27.5" wheels are a pretty crass attempt by the industry to get people to buy the same kind of equipment they already own, but for more money. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto cing+betty, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt =6&t=74584, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt =6&t=74384, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt r#p1045572, https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt 28&t=70500, http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto =6&t=59005. Appraisals. Playing with the simulator does show the leverage advantage of a 20" wheel on take off though. Will they fit or better to keep to smaller width. Appreciate whatever you advise. The present tyres are (from the markings on the tyre) Continental Country Ride; 37-622; (281 3/4 X 1 5/8); c196. by dogman dan Dec 02 2015 7:58am, Post This was my sons bike i git him but hes not much of a outdoor kid so i ended up alternating it with my trail bike. by sendler2112 Dec 05 2015 2:29pm, Post The ISO diameter is technically the bead seat diameter and is sometimes referred to as the BSD. Hooray! I looked for them on the web and it says that they are regular 700C, but the with can vary. What is difference between wheel size and frame size? If you have a big black old upright English bike with rod-pull brakes, this is the size you would need to special-order I have a 2006 20.0 DX Grand Canyon Crossover Montague bike and would like to know if there is a quick-release rear wheel that can replace the standard 6 speed wheel that came on the bike. What year is that bike? While they are most commonly found on childrens bicycles, 16 wheels are generally the smallest bicycle wheels youll see on adult bikes. Thank you. I do foresee that we can squeeze in a 27.5 x 2.1 but we are really unsure about it accepting a 2.4. I need help in laymans terms please at least indicate the brand and full specs of the tire you recommend and I can buy it off the internet. While they are perfect for the young ones just learning to stay upright, 16 wheels dont fare well over bumps or rough roads. The wheel size referred to as 29 or as a 29er on modern mountain bikes is in fact an ISO 622 wheel. 20 wheels are the standard for BMX bikes, and the most common size for small wheel folding bikes. However, the acceptable range is typically much larger than just 1.95 2.1. The others died out but the 622 mm rim became the most common for narrow road tires, and almost every adult bike in the world made for use on pavement comes equipped with 700c wheels, including Montagues line ofPavement folding bikes. I have been struggling with an issue for over 6 months until I came across this forum Id like to think it a life saviour for me. I am having difficulty determining the correct size tires for a 1928 Hawthorne Flyer. Youd just have to try it and see. But can't really be pedaled above 25mph for open roads which is my hang up. The internal width of the rim is what you really want to know, which would be in mm, likely somewhere between 15mm and 25mm. Good point on the space saving aspect of smaller diameter wheels. These run higher pressure, and have a smooth surface, or small or negative tread patter, or a hard central line and knobby treads down sides to be dual lurpose road or track. 20" wheels in conjunction with high power ie. If the new fork you get is made for thru-axle that would be fine on the front, but the rear dropouts require standard quick release (or bolt on) wheels with a 135mm hub width (that might be specified as Over Locknut Dimension or O.L.D.). Rims intended for a wider tire, like mountain bike specific rims, will be wider than those intended for narrower road tires. The Official Bike Forums Cafe Press Store, Adaptive Cycling: Handcycles, Amputee Adaptation, Visual Impairment, and Other Needs. Remember that it isnt the gear ratio that determines the gear inches you are riding, but that ratio times the wheel diameter. reference cycle model: Hero Octane Burracuda 27.5, I bought a paratrooper express mainly for its folding capacity but I mainly ride on roads and find it a much harder ride than my non folding hybrid so have only used a handful of times in 3 years. Thank you. The standard modern road bike wheel has an ISO diameter of 622 mm and is referred to as 700c (makes sense, right? I am worried about tire width here. Do I need to get a 700C rim with a 14 mm with? Do all different sized 559 tyres fit Really? Thanks. I have an old 1983-4 Bianchi road bike that has 700x32c tires (not the originals, but pretty old). ISO 630 is 27 inches and 8 mm larger than ISO622 The range of tire widths that can fit on a rim are dependent on the internal width of that rim. In recent years, mountain bikes have been moving toward larger wheels, and when 650b was re-purposed for off-road it became known as 27.5. There really are no imperial or metric wheel sizes, just different names. I bent the front rim and found a 26 x 1.5 wheel for sale. Thanks to the person/persons who wrote this article for NOT being phoney idiots who do not know what they are talking about! all 559 (26) wheels. I would like to change fork to: The history of that name would need a whole other blog post to fully explain, but the short version is that it came from international tire sizes where the outside diameter would be approximately 700mm, and multiple rim sizes would be labeled 700a, 700b, 700c, etc. Im on a Montegyu Navigator. I dont want anything taller than what a 26 bike is- if I could get away with 24 I would. Please advice and great bike for improvements , Hi Michal. Id like to go wider than the current as they look very pinched in on the stock rim. Dahon Vybe C7A Folding Bike Review - Will low price compromise Comfort and Quality? The width of the rim affects the width the tire expands to, also, changing the nominal width slightly. by Voltron Dec 03 2015 12:22pm, Post Sendler2112's numbers actually work out about rightwith the 53/13 gearing I'm running, top comfortable pedaling speed is 23ish, and 28 or so in a sprint, which actually works out just fine for jumping on the pedals coming out of corner or climbing, then settling into a tuck as the motor really gets into its 30+ powerband. He's the first person recognized as doing controlled repeatable glider flights in the 1890's, and was able to soar small hills where the wind was strong enough to hover stationary with respect to the ground. The handling and feeling of riding a bike with 16 wheels will be considerably different than the full-size adult bike youre used to. Id like a wider set of tires (not sleeks) and info from internet is driving me nuts. You just need to worry about the rim potentially being too wide and a 20 or 21mm internal width would likely be the maximum. You could certainly have the same ease of pedaling on both a 24 and 26 wheel, so I would personally recommend going with a 26 for better ride quality. The smaller the wheel, the more it will be affected by even small debris and rocks, and potholes can swallow a 16 wheel whole. And Adel combinations and how much to allow for gear stack? Could you tell me, what is the inner rim width on your 38 mm tire for the Allston? You can absolutely put a more road specific tire on the Paratrooper Express, which should help with rolling resistance and make it more efficient on pavement. Thanks in advance, ref: Smaller wheels also require larger gear ratios to get them turning fast enough to keep up with other bikes. While marginally better than 16, the 20 wheel will still be affected by rocks and obstacles more than larger standard wheel sizes. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -. Thanks for any help! What size tube do I use? As long as the internal width of that rim isnt wider than say, 24mm, you should be able to put a 1.5 tire on there. Sorry for the length of this question. All this confusion comes from the lack of a consistent naming convention for bicycle wheels, which is why we made this post to hopefully clear some things up! When the worlds first mountain bikes were being fabricated by pioneers like Joe Breeze, Charlie Kelly, and Gary Fisher, old 26 cruiser wheels were the only bicycle wheels around that had wide enough tires for the demands of the off-road. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs. All of our current bikes, with the exception of the Crosstown and Paratrooper Express, use a ZS44 headset. wheels act like a gyro when you are moving, seen motorcycle videos of someone on a motorcycle showing what happens when you bash your bars. It depends on the model year of your Navigator, but if its relatively recent, you should be able to fit about a 40mm tire on that frame. I think most of us ride on the road anyway. I am sold on the idea of smaller wheels. The only real issue would be if the new replacement rim was too narrow, it might be difficult to mount the tire and you could risk it rolling off the rim. Most adult road bikes use 700c wheels, whereas 26 is typically a mountain bike wheel size (although in recent years mountain bikes are using larger wheels as well). Using this full-size wheel offers superior performance and ride quality to small wheel folders. I need to get a new rear rim for my Giant road bike but I dont know how to make sure it will match my bike. Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. But not the same as 26-inch mountain bike tires, those will not fit. It can seem like a daunting topic but were here to explain everything there is to know about bicycle wheel sizes. I dont even ride it now its been parked in my buildings parking garage ever since. I measured across the old rims without tyres & they measured an actual exact 28, & yet the list of French sizes of ISO doesnt go that high in inches? Can you help me in determining a narrower tire number for these rims? In my youth, a friend and I rode them on a hilly double century (miles) day. The turning radius and wheel base is smaller, which can result in overly sensitive steering. We changed our mountain frames in 2016 to allow for more tire clearance so newer bikes can fit about a 2.4. Road bikes normally have pretty tight clearance, so a 38mm tire might be too wide. I should mention Im 71, female and about 56 and havent done any real biking in a long time. 50-622 has two sizes listed: 282.00 and 292.00. Thanks for the note! Assuming it is not spinning out. I cant find any specs for this bike at all. I need to replace the tubes. another important factor is what tire width will the highline frame allow? Any recommendations. Why are there so many names for the same sizes? I'll tell you what the manufacturers' reason for 27.5" is: You have to buy a new bike to get it. Thats probably the closest common size. These sizes are almost never found on production bikes, but if youre over 6 6 and looking for a bike that fits, custom built might be the only way to go. I feel very precarious on it and have had to walk it several times. My current rims are ETRTO: 62214. Wheel size and frame size are generally not correlated. Excellent article which sadly leaves me more confused than ever Why arent wheels simply sized via the diameter of their external rims? Im 75, 52, need the easiest tricycle to use for grocery runs. I have Paratrooper from 2019 , so latest frame. World's fastest bike has 20" wheels. Privacy Statement - The current Paratrooper Highline and Elite should be able to accommodate up to a 2.4 tire. Yeah, anything you invent for a bicycle, has been done by somebody before. by MadRhino Dec 02 2015 10:42am, Post The actual ISO diameter of a traditional 26 wheel is 559 millimeters. Hi, Loss of control above 30km/h? Again with the apples and oranges. General Discussion about electric bicycles. I knew 700C rims are smaller than 27 ones, but was confused because 700mm is about 27.5. The ISO 630mm size is essentially no longer in use, but is worth including due to the huge number of American road bikes from the 1970s and 80s that used these 27 inch wheels, and are still hanging around in basements and garages all across the country. I came off of it in a roadside dike one day (84) & when I bought new wheels for it, they didnt fit, but the reason they didnt fit was because these wheels (700c 26~) where to small leaving the brakes to grip the tyres. I am bring my 1992 Dyno VFR back to life My question is this, I measured the wheels and the wheel itself is 16 The tire that is on it is marked 202.0. Thank you. My tire size is 50-622 (282.00). Hi Nathan. It is a current Paratrooper Pro post 2016 which comes with the easyrack. We'll never share your email with anyone. Required fields are marked *. We wouldnt want to risk buying a wheelset and tyres to find that they wont fit. I havent been able to find a simple enough answer Lol. I have had a wide variety of folders, and once you are used to the quick steering of folders, you will enjoy it more than a big wheeler.
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