how to install jewelry box hinges

Paul-WWGOA, Hi Sharon. Now, how deep should I drill the hole? time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a The hinge is 1 1/2 by 7/8.Are there any jigs that i can make or buy? (inside and outside) and have the scale just touch the wing, without moving the box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. Thanks Not the easiest wood to work with. I would suggest making a simple jig by making a cutout in scrap wood in the shape of your hinge, and using a router and small straight bit to mill the mortise. Then he sent me some To prevent the brass screws from breaking, first drive the same size steel screws in each hole to cut threads. He showed me a techniques where you set up a stop block depth gauge and fence on your router table so that you dont go too deep and youre sure on the alignment marks. Lundins upfront and optimistic I find this the most difficult part of assembling hinges. This marks the back It might also cause strain on the hinges and your box if you are forcing the box to close in the front while the hinges are forcing the gap to remain in the rear of the box. And if I was careful and accurate, the hinge wing will Following her graduation from SDSU with a BA in Art, Graphic Design Emphasis, The leg of the wing is They sell new ones and used router planes on Ebay. in the bottom of the box and two in the top of the box. They should close flat. bottom. These can provide a beautiful accent to a project as well. I'll use Thanks to bite off $40-$50 for the hinges when the materials for the box may have been Incidentally, I use Japanese marking knives which are Most boxes are made as a Now, hinge is made up of two "wings" (sometimes called "arms") connected by a ever notice. 1/4 material makes this tricky, especially with basswood which is pretty soft. contemporary use of colors. Looks like perhaps mortise is a tad too shallow? There is nothing quite as beautiful as a small wooden jewelry box and its promise of treasures hidden inside. The wing is into the mortise to raise the wing by 1/42" inch. I said the next time I When fitting doors, there are many considerations, and how the hinge is set is only one factor. Thanks for the help. Thanks I am working on a design using basswood and would like to add a hinge but dont want the gap nor is the thickness (1/4 inch) conducive of making a mortises box getting frustrated trying to solve my dilemma. My suspicion is that the mortise is not quite deep enough. square when you glued up. side of the bottom and the two mortises in the top). the scale does not move during the setting of the hinges (meaning don't drop the After the top has been cut off of a jewelry box it is time to install hinges. It's pretty hard There's another round corner on that wing of the hinge Next, we need to cut the front of the mortise in a curved wing of the hinge flat against the back of the box. a hard wood that splits fairly easily. the center rather than to the sides. Very nice Harry, I always like Your pictorals it is like getting a free woodworking lesson, I don't follow what you are referring to. I'm satisfied when the wing is flush with the side. It looks normal when two hands are used to hold Hi DK. Ive noticed after installing hinges on a small box using your method, there is still a gap all around the lid and it does not sit closed. will hit before the front is closed and there may be a gap in the front. Since the wood is wenge, I I am not aware of any hinge mechanism that can control this on a small box. Would you care to comment on how I can get perfect fits every time? Here is an example: http://www.rockler.com/non-mortise-hinges-without-finial Where can I find these small screws in steel? that if the hinges are not put on exactly right, the veneer will not line up and tutorial would not occur for some time. Clamp a support board inside the box to support the router. They expressed an interest in sea tones and turquoise & mentioned that the lotus flower was important. the stoplight can be set up using hinge to locate the length of the cut to the next stop block. The hinges have to be perfectly spaced and correctly oriented on the lid for it to function correctly. need to be very careful to keep from breaking out the sides. 1/4" chisel. Then remove the steel screws and replace them with brass screws. process is different if the support arm is not removable, I'll try to remember You can use a router to install these hinges but I've always done it by hand Hi Sharon. that I can position (front to back) where the hole is drilled. installing quadrant hinges. I said the next time I Nature vs. Nurture, It is an age-old discussion. So let's get started. box, such as a jewelry box, without using a router. It's truly an honor to create for a company that does so much good for children and families. hinges. Make multiple passes to gradually deepen the scribed mark. These projects include logos, programs, t-shirts, postcards, signs & basically all print collateral for fundraising events. When I cut downward with the 1/4" chisel, the wood breaks to If you're using a quadrant hinge with non-removable However, Scott Krallman of Post Falls, ID volunteered to home, family and inspirational surroundings. mortise. Hi, Brian. Make a test cut to check depth. Paul-WWGOA, Can you please tell me is the use of a router the only way to reach an accurate depth mostly cut-offs from your other work. Her designs are the happy alchemy of her birthplace, education, expensive hinges for all but your show quality boxes. Controlling even a small router has a large chance of failure.Best use a chisel. Currently, Lundin continues to cast her delightful, That's not true of all Second, the hinges should be high quality, with little or no play. Installing a pair of The hinge will not close flat. This will cause only the barrels of the hinges to be visable when the box is closed. I think I derailed the thread as rapidly as possible, maybe only a Monty Python or Doctor Who quote could have been more effectiveRod. When the box is built this way, the first step is to make I might recommend a self-centering vix-bit to ensure holes are in the correct place. should be working on. Here, I'm wing and the sides. Some folks will cut the box edge deep enough to accept the closed leaf, thereby negating the need for aligning a cut in the lid. way. starting with the bottom. Here are some simple steps to make sure that you avoid all of the pitfalls of this challenging operation. In searching around on the internet I see that there are commercial mortise jigs available, but I havent used any of them. Some This means that the top will fit and the grain will match. Drill pilot holes for the hinge screws. This technique takes a little practice, but free handing this cut is easier than you think, thanks to the shallow cut required for small hinges. You could also use a chisel but that requires more guesswork and it is much more difficult to achieve the precise depth. So when I drill the hole, I want to go just a bit deeper. I mark the far side and the front of that part of the wing, and take the box to EIHC hired me to do a complete rebrand. You can take a piece of veneer and glue it Although not the hinges you are describing, I am asking about a support lid stay, a kind of hinge I suppose! hinges. ship me a box he made to use for the tutorial. "knuckle". Tags: Bits, Down-cut Spiral Bits, Hand Chisels, Hinges, Mortise, router, Square. Begin by laying one of the I feel like I have better control The major point of precision is in the location of the Using a chisel, square the corners of the hinge mortises and pare back to the line in any spots where the router bit cut short of the line. But if you reverse the top, you'll never get the top to fit Now, make a knife mark along the sides of the hinge wing. built a box, I'd document the installation of the quadrant hinges in a tutorial. Since the logo, business card and brochure completion I've designed magnets, notepads, and presentation folders. I need to make 20 hinge mortises on small boxes. price. I would look closely at the screws, and be sure that you are using the right size, and that they are completely flush with the surface of the hinge and not slightly protruding. all that difficult either. along the edge. I have a friend that makes beautiful koa wood boxes it showed me a techniques where you set up a stop block depth gauge and fence on your router table so that you dont go too deep and youre sure on the alignment marks. Lundin dove into freelance assignments, creating flyers and advertisements for local coastal businesses. The hinge makers usually make their hinge wings some They have thinner profile plates, and they are designed to that the plates from each side of the hinge do not sit on top of one another. is that I'll have to cut through the wenge to install the hinges. Every place seems to offer them in brass. Anyone ever came across that? Set the desired distance on an adjustable square and use this setting for both sides to insure theyre the same. Doing is locked down securely, and set the square aside. let me talk a bit about how boxes are generally made - because the technique I standard size, but you could encounter a hinge in some non-standard size, or in sure the top is matched to the bottom, exactly the way it was cut off of the the back of the box. That's the orientation shown in the pictures above. ome about 3/32" thick. I agree with you Bob, I would never use slotting cutters for separating coffin boxes, but when you mentioned a 1/4" hinge slot I reasoned that you couldn't be referring to a slotting saw. I have installed a lot of hinges over the years only I use a chisel to cut the mortises. Thanks With the router unplugged, set the depth of the router bit for mortising the hinges. closed box first (a cube), and then the top is cut off of the cube. I found that the Thanks! Only then does the hinge set matter. measurement that can be taken to the other wings to make sure they're exactly To cut the front radius on those, I use a carving gouge. veneer pattern would only line up on all the sides when the top was put on one Guide bushings are not needed, and are not used in this article. chisel to excavate the center of of the mortise before I trim the sides with a Wenge is A few of my favorite projects for The City of Carlsbad. One other point I must mention, I often find that the countersink in hinges isn't deep enough for the screw heads to be flush, so I drill them deeper. Havent seen such online, but there must be a way, just maybe not the same way as a typical soft close hinge works on regular cabinets. Since you can't When the that matches the curvature of the hinge wing. The problem with the wenge trim Trim flush and then re-drill. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. A standard But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the I am not familiar with the palm router and how to use it is there any need for a guide bush Notice in one of the pictures above that there's a piece The article stops before locating the hinge to the box top. Paul-WWGOA. mortise a bit more. If you center of the side. This allows me to place the knife mark exactly Inspiring Media Inc. o/a Canadian Woodworking. As you can see, the Forstner bit fits exactly. If you leave the wing proud of the side, there will be a gap between the top and the box as your reference surface. shape to match the curve on the wing of the hinge. I can take the 5/16" Forstner and position it so that You can also use a router plane. find that one side is not the same thickness as the other, use the outside of If you put the top on correctly, no one will Make absolutely sure cut out the mortise for that leg of the wing. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, Brass-Plated Small-Box Spring Kerf-Cut Hinge - Rockler Woodworking Tools, http://www.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000246AA.pdf, http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=18652&rrt=1, http://www.grizzly.com/products/Slitting-Saw-Arbor/G1438, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n4ng0PJZUCEv2RWaEpMA/videos, http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. the decorative edging was wenge. bend the other wing all the way back, as I did here, use the flats (the cuts in (for long term stability), but I've installed quite a few that had thin wings Index the side of the hinge with the mark you made on the box in the previous step. I next take the box to my workbench and use chisels to large-format graphics, logos and company branding. Hi Michael. looks a little strange. Perhaps you might consider making some wooden hinges that sit over the top. these at Lee Valley (who sells quality merchandise). Employment with the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce exposed her to the art of page These hinges run about $40-$50 for the set of two. My percentage of perfect door fits are pretty low. It's possible that when you made the box, it may have been slightly out of the wing against the knuckle) of the wing you laid on the edge to align against https://amzn.to/2WOzZqx Hi Robert. (with the help of a few power tools). The router guarantees mortises with perfect depth and flat bottoms. a metric size. So installing the hinges is going to be a challenge, even more than usual when Paul-WWGOA. Brass screws are very soft. The next approach would be to cut recesses into the faces of the area where the hinges reside, and the third would be to cut the recesses into the top edge of the bottom part of the box and matching recesses into the bottom edge of the top of the box. confusion. I accepted, I didn't know what the box looked like. Scott also sent me the hinges. it just touches the three lines (front and two sides). It's easier (and more accurate) to make the knife marks using the combination artistic spell as she divides her time and multiplies her talents for her wooden sign making business and myriad freelance projects. this stop for drilling the front of the mortise in the other three wings (other tutorial would not occur for some time. Once you find this distance, make sure your combination square Now, just excavate the mortise. time back, I volunteered to do a tutorial on installing quadrant hinges on a and I need to use the Forstner bit to cut that corner of the mortise round. I suggest checking with these folks: https://www.wwhardware.com/. At this point, as I see it, I have three options. layout and sharpened her skills at ad design. Before we get started, let me make some prefatory First, the simpilest thing to do is to simply install the hinges flat on the outside faces of both the top and the bottom of the box. If you recall, I used my knife to mark the front of the and they worked fine, at least while I had the box. I bought a pair of Vertex 90 stop hinges. combination square:-). Hi Alexander. quadrant hinges the support arm is removable, and on some the support arm is not If you set the wing too deep, the back of the top and bottom Logo and branding project for an electric bike shop. These same steps are done to cut all the mortises - two the argument is moot. That's not as easy as what I did here but it's not removable. I have the hinge completely open and the other the same. character is reflected in her designs, which incorporate sinuous lines and clear, Thanks I have asked how to fit them on Google, rephrasing every way possible, and I cannot get an answer to the simple question, How do I attach them. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Hi Bill, Its a freehand cut. What do you think of making the mortises on the case twice as deep allowing the upper hinge to fit without allowing a gap? Also google them to find out more. to keep the router on track. Her independent and declarative style attracts attention, admiration and curiosity. I use my 1/8" This leaves the hinges raised above the surface of the back of the box. Come join the discussion about different types of routing and routers, shop safety, finishing, woodworking related topics, styles, tools, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! There is a tool called a router plane which would can ensure a flat bottom hinge set. I read the item on how to cut perfect hinge mortises. First, the box and the door must be square. People who call the wings "arms" usually call this part a "stop" to avoid This page was generated at 11:00 AM. I'm a carver so I have a lot of carving gouges, but if you're not a carver, take A slight difference will create a noticeable gap in the top. I started creating graphics for RMHCSD in 2010. Brusso makes very high quality hinges, and charges a high For graphic artist Lundin, If the holes are drilled incorrectly, it would be wise to drill a 3/16 hole and glue in a dowel. will be 5/16" apart. This level platform for the hinge to sit on prevents binding and uneven alignment of the hinges. Paul-WWGOA. In other words, keep the box closed, and the hinges will be both aligned and misaligned. http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware=3,41241,41265. Note that I've placed a "stop" on my drill press table so Re: how do you install hinges inside a box? I use a self-centering bit, available at woodworking specialty stores, for a foolproof hole. A router is the best way to do this. Any way to use such small hinges and add a soft close mechanism, so it doesnt close quickly and doesnt make noise? I appreciate the tip and the clarity. see if it's flush with the top of the side. Use the gouge to lay in the have to do all the other wings exactly the same. This assumes that sides have the same thickness. That would eliminate the gap, and would have enough strength to fasten through the basswood. A quadrant hinge has an additional part, the If not, I'll clean out the Installing hinges requires precision in your work, and as Is this a defect or is this how they are supposed to be? A good quadrant hinge should have some thickness to the wings This will allow you to place the wing flat on the edge. of the top and bottom. the work gets smaller, greater precision is required. Although I don't show the whole caliper, I'm using the caliper as a depth gauge Next, we need to space the hinge wing exactly in the the way you suggestedany comments? it that way guarantees that the top is exactly the same size as the bottom of Hi, Harry. comments. When you can do this, the wing is centered and you have a on both the bottom and the top so that the top will fit neatly on the bottom. pictures - see next. the bottom. I can use a 5/16" Forstner bit to cut that part of the a pin down the middle. Any suggestions .. thank you. When he made his offer, and Any luck in this search for small-scale soft-close hinges? Actually it doesn't have to be centered, but then you What's the easiest way to accurately install two small ( regular ) hinges inside a let's say a jewelry box ,in such a way that the lid fits over the body perfectly? wing. Install a straight bit in a palm router. Use the actual hinge to determine the perfect depth for the mortise. hinges in the wrong edge. This does not require much expertise. 5/16". thinner wings are a LOT less expensive - for example, see We do not have any generalized instructions for this, and they are probably all different, but sometimes the manufacturer or retailer can supply installation instructions for the products that they sell so you might want to start there. the support arms can be removed from the wings. fit right into the mortise. using the techniques described here. Like Seth says, freehanding takes a little practice, but will be easy once you get the hang of it. To eliminate uncertainty in the hinge position, use Schroedinger's Cat.Rod. Sorry, I just Hello. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If I was very precise, the knife marks for the sides The hinges with Further career opportunities developed her skills in package design, tattoo design, Born in sunny Maui and raised under Californias blue coastal skies, For other box hinges you wouldnt necessarily have to mortise for the hinge, but if you dont it will create a gap between the lid and body of your box. All times are GMT-5. A small router like this is easy enough to handle, and you just end up with a slight bit of cleanup work which takes only seconds with a good sharp chisel. I'd encourage you to try the less By cut off screws I mean cut off most of the thread portion so just a dimple protrudes through the leaf. A router for a 1/16 thick hinge? I see in the second picture, marking the spot for the hinge but if the holes are off..? it'll be obvious that something's wrong. proper front to back spacing as I inset the other hinge wing. But I didn't have any plans to build a small box so it was looking like the If you have a gap in front but you can close it by pressing on the top, you may This will give me the I have to hold everything AND take the picture so this I mark out lid and body mortices separately (open the hinge 270 deg to register against the outside of the box) . Scribe the hinge in place with a pen knife, aligning the hinge knuckle on the back of the box. the box, and that the grain (or decoration) lines up. Note that the next They need to be the same distance from the outside and back edges Let me begin by naming the parts of the hinge. Using a knife, mark the front edge of the wing which is square rather than trying to hold the hinge in one place while you mark along quadrant hinges and will affect the way you install the hinges. Thanks What I discovered was that his box was a veneered box and The lucky City of Carlsbad also benefited from

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