Either way, it's fair to say that filmgoers are a pretty forgiving lot. It was a moment where you have to sit back and realize that sometimes when you think something's wrong, everything is going right. It's a tale so amazing that two months after the film's release, it was dismissed by the L.A. Times as nothing but a fabricated "macho fantasy." Because there are so many issues with the rights to that project. Or, better yet, where does that phrase come from?Frank Dux: Oh, that's easy. And I said, "If you're gonna go, just don't pull me with you." Is that true?Sheldon Lettich: We were working on a sequel, but I just don't think it's going to go anywhere, unfortunately. Idc, even have a "Thor and Cap trade weapons moment" in Endgame with those two. Jean-Claude saw Menahem on the street, did a U-Turn and said, "Hey Menahem, remember me? Because I think he's got a Walter Mitty syndrome. Like I'm a kook because he comes out of a James Bond movie: You Only Live Twice. It's incredible." And separates Mike's shoulder. He had a chance to read them. Frank lost that case. If he had to be the bad guy and killed by the protagonist. So I started doing a Howard Cosell imitation and that's where I came up with the term Bloodsport. "He's a loser. You know, Jean-Claude was totally overwhelmed when he got to work with Stallone on Expendables 2. And it's kind of funny because those are superfluous elements to the film. So he met me on the roof of the Victoria hotel. I saw Sheldon as my friend, and I was trying to help him. I mean, he couldn't do a throw. But if they did Bloodsport, then they can do Timecop. He wants to find a more peaceful path. I'm not kidding you. For you, I mean.Sheldon Lettich: Oh yeah, oh absolutely. Sheldon Lettich: We got some amazing reviews and it just turned into a little bit of a mini-phenomenon. So he goes there on his own to rescue Troutman, and that pretty much became the movie.Blake Harris: That's a good point. We liked the fact that we were able to do something different there. But the truth is, I had already written a script called Enter the Ninja. No, never. He went in and redid it. So he brought Tracers to the Steppenwolf Theatre and he directed it. I'm not talking our toes are over the edge. Plus, two cousins duke it out . I did some research and realized I wanted to do a French Foreign Legion movie. Unlike so many of the testosterone-fueled films of the '80s, Bloodsport holds the rare distinction of being based on a true story. Tiger Tanaka, right? They didn't back me up and they never said anything about seeing my fight footage.Blake Harris: I'm really sorry to hear that.Frank Dux: And one of the things that people don't realize is that after the Times article came out, people were so willing to convict me, just because it was the Times.Blake Harris: I just have one last question for you: since this whole thing grew, in a way, out of your friendship with Sheldon, I was wondering when was the last time that you spoke with him?Frank Dux: I saw Sheldon, believe it or not, about four weeks ago. Also, Idris Elba's voice is just something else. I remember us going back to his apartment and the thing was entirely full.Blake Harris: Did Menahem change his tune about Jean-Claude?Sheldon Lettich: Well, yes and no. Like Bloodsport is one of his best movies ever but it still resulted in a great episode. Those were my uniforms. Roger Moore co-starred along side Van Damme in The Quest (1996) ironically playing a James Bond actor which Frank Dux had said inspired him to learn martial arts in the first place. Well, she'd seen it on TV, but she was too sick when the movie came out. We needed at least $20 million to do this thing right and it looked like it might happen, but it didn't. And like I said, guys like Sheldon didn't help, putting a knife in my back.Blake Harris: So what was it like seeing him at the screening?Frank Dux: I was cordial. You can't just go in there and get it. Sheldon tells everybody that I told him a story of how I fought these events and he thought that would make a great movie and all this kind of stuff. Bloodsport was produced by Cannon Films and released by Warner Bros. on 26 February 1988. Took me a long, long time to write that script. And he says, "What?" Bloodsport hospitalizing Superman was lifted directly from his first comic book appearance. And the story there, which I've told many times, came from Frank telling me about his exploits. So there would be one shot where you would see both brothers in the same shot, kind of talking to one another and then all the other shots were either close-ups or over-the-shoulders done with a double. Jean-Claude?Frank Dux: When we started? How did you feel afterwards?Frank Dux: It was an enlightening moment. What was all this camaraderie about? And I remember watching a movie where James Bond was doing jujitsu. And here's the thing that gets me about how stupid people are. Are you kidding me? You allow other people just a little glimpse into what that experience was like and to feel it themselves. Everywhere else in my life I'm like a duck out of water, but put me in that arena and I just swim. And then Moore took me and Grant and started showing us some stuff. So I go in to pitch my idea and his development executive, she was just flabbergasted when I showed her the magazine cover and told her about the idea. Released in theaters 35 years ago, on Feb. 26, 1988, Bloodsport starred Van Damme as Frank Dux, a U.S. Army soldier who leaves the military to enter a fight-to-the-death martial arts tournament in . And he agreed to that. Blake Harris: You had mentioned earlier on that Bloodsport sat on the shelf for two yearsFrank Dux: Yeah, for two years it sat on the shelf. His contract was not for writing, it was for use of his name and a portion of his "real-life story." Blake Harris: So we know how Sheldon entered the picture, but how does Jean-Claude Van Damme become involved with Bloodsport?Frank Dux: Oh, Jean-Claude tells this crazy story. You can listen to theBloodsportedition of the HDTGM podcasthere. Then we started meeting on a regular basis over at the VA hospital in Westwood. I wrote the script, got paid a small fee and I can't remember how much time passedprobably less than a yearand via another guy named Lou Horwitza financer who, I believe, did gap-financing at the timeLou took it to Cannon. And I think it's because he felt very insecure. And I totally separated it. So I suggested a version where Rambo tells Trautman, "Sorry, Colonel, I fought my war. I made a joke and it just took him out of it, snapped him out of it.Blake Harris: Laughter is the best medicine, right?Frank Dux: I took him out of it. I don't really want to give this guy a platform for more publicity because that's what he's always looking for.". If he doesn't have any use for people, he throws them to the side. During that time, he's never felt like he had a platform to defuse those lies and tell his side of the storyuntil now. He basically makes up these stories, casts himself as the leading character and somehow convinces himself that he really did this stuff. I was a gentleman. Bloodsport is the name of several supervillains appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.All of these versions exist in DC's main shared universe, known as the DC Universe.. They could shut me out from sequel rights. So he started taking me to construction sites where I could get work. In fact, we all went out to celebrate. After directing Jean-Claude in Double Impact [1991] and Lionheart [1990] before that, was there any reason you didn't want to be involved with writing or directing?Sheldon Lettich: That was right after another movie I did called Only the Strong [1993] and I seemed to have a lot of other things going on. What I had done was I had the fight, like in Bloodsport, but there was one little caveat difference: In between doing these fights, he was also doing stuff to help people on the street. A good example of that is Bloodsport. Because he's riding on the coattails of Jean-Claude. Let's put Jean-Claude in. At what point along the way were his fears diminished?Frank Dux: Well it was diminished when they were going to get rid of himJean-Claude doesn't realize how close he was to never having a careerand I took Mark off to the side and I said, "Look, I'm betting it all, Mark." And I said, "Hey, asshole, I'm right over here." Nowadays it's all kind of clich. This thing, it had legs, and started traveling around the world (London, Australia, etc. "He's written this Vietnam novel," my agent said, "that the novel's way too long and overwritten. Bloodsport: Directed by Newt Arnold. This was significant not only because he wrote the screenplay for Bloodsport, but also because Dux had said some unflattering things about the writer. And I'm talking a six-inch ledge. Plus the guy was just an idol of mine. KUMITE! And then he did a kick that missed his face by like two inches. By their own photographer. And the one twinning shot would sell it and it worked surprisingly well.Blake Harris: The next movie you worked on with Jean-Claude was his directorial debut, The Quest [1996], but only in the capacity of script polishing. And he did. Both of them wanted to be the cop.Blake Harris: That's so funny (though it makes sense).Sheldon Lettich: It just couldn't be worked out so the project fell by the wayside until they got Stallone and Wesley Snipes to be in it. I used my Hebrew name: Benjamin Wolf. Or any agent's records? Sheldon Lettich: Yeah. Surprised? How are you going to get enough guys to fight against Michael who are even going to match his size? Jean-Claude was doing movies for Columbia and they wanted him to bring them some ideas for movies and we brought that idea to them. I think Jean-Claude and I have done just fine without 'riding his coattails,' haven't we?". LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, Nicole Byer of Party Over Here joins Paul and Jason to discuss the cult 1988 Jean-Claude Van Damme martial-arts film Bloodsport. So the play was groundbreaking in some ways. And that's how I ended up co-writing Rambo III with him. After the fight, I go down to him and I said, "Hey, Mr. Moore, do you remember me?" So we pitched him Legionnaire, gave him the treatment and Ed went for it.Blake Harris: You mentioned that Columbia passed on Legionnaire because it didn't "stick with the Van Damme formula." He didn't like it. Nobody clapped for Sheldon. And he showed up and said, "I see he didn't show up." And they weren't returning phone calls. We thought he was f***ing great. with Andy Griffith, where Barney Fife was getting picked on and so he goes to learn judo. "Below are some of the key points and accusations made in the piece: Frank Dux: By the way, the L.A. Times won't even defend the article anymore. And a lot of pain, I guess, made me fight. Do you see what I'm saying? It was "Dukes." And I said, "Okay, after dailies, I'll meet you up there." Mind you, he's alleging: You're gonna tell me a receipt floated around from 1980 to 1988? This was all very, very low budget. And I had read an article, in this magazine called M, about the French Foreign Legion. And a lot of those worked well when Jean-Claude recut it.Blake Harris: I suspect that part of the reason they worked is because you, based on your experiences, were able to bring a certain authenticity to it.Frank Dux: I think so too. We do it your way. And the CIA and everyone is obligated to tell you? How involved were you with that reshaping?Frank Dux: Every day, when Sheldon was writing the script, I would be in the office with him and Mark DiSalle, the producer. I said, "You're trying to prove to yourself that you could do it. Sheldon wrote Legionnaire and was supposed to direct it, but then Jean-Claude got someone else. Because Jean-Claude uses people and chews them up as quick as he can. And I had to find a way for him to kind of come back in and get his mind out of it. I had them cut down so it would fit him because I'm a bigger guy. And we were dogs being pitted against each other. I thought that was real interesting.Blake Harris: I imagine that at 11 years old that was a pretty inspiring experience.Frank Dux: Yeah and then three years later, I saw him again. I want to make this movie, but I want you to make this movie with a real movie star and that's Michael Dudikoff." I don't remember in detail what our first interaction was like, but we just kind of hit it off.Blake Harris: Was it weird for you at all, as a Vietnam veteran, to be working on a book about the war that was written by someone who hadn't been there?Sheldon Lettich: Well, I didn't know that at the time. What was the reaction like from Sheldon, Jean-Claude and Mark [DiSalle]?Frank Dux: They didn't care at that point. A little bit. I should also back up and say that I was really poor growing up. Armed with a gun that fires Kryptonite needles, Bloodsport nearly succeeded in his mission to eliminate the Man of Steel, but ultimately failed. Like with Legionnaire. In 1980, Frank Dux first came into the public eye via an article in the November issue of Black Belt magazine. What really made Bloodsport special, though, was the work of Jean-Claude Van Damme. I had my then-fianc back in the United States get all the uniforms for them. I believe that story is 100% true, because Michel Qissi was with him and he told me the same story. It was called Firebase and was basically Zulu in Vietnam; about a small disparate group forced together on a Firebase that gets attacked by an overwhelming number of North Vietnamese. Bloodsport. Rambo was always a reluctant badass.Sheldon Lettich: Yeah, you've really gotta push him to fight. My very first fight in Tijuana, they were fighting six of us, and there were only five us there; we were waiting for another guy. When I heard that name, it was like bells started ringing. And he was friendly to me. And he said yeah. And it may be a typical Hollywood story, but you still never see it coming. And Jean-Claude's got a really good sense of how a fight scene should be edited. He was actually going to come to that Bloodsport screening in North Hollywood [referenced in our conversation with Frank Dux]. She'd never seen it. I wasn't a bitter person. The piece, entitled "Kumite: A Learning Experience," was written by editor John Stewart and begins with the following note: From time to time, Black Belt learns of unusual events or occurrences in the martial arts; events thateither because of their nature or because they occurred in the distant pastcannot be easily verified. And I'll never forgetand I'm terrified of heights, by the way. KUMITE! It's risk free with Nord's 30 day money-back guarantee! He's not very good, of course, but the judo instructor steps in for Barney and then kicks the ass of the guy who's been picking on him. Live from Largo in L.A. they get into Samuel L. Jackson's infamous death scene, LL Cool J's relationship with his bird, Stellan Skarsgrd's new name, and how Saffron Burrows is the film's true villain. But then Menahem decided he didn't want to make the movie.Blake Harris: Why?Sheldon Lettich: In his words, I'm quoting, "Jean-Claude can't even play one character, how do you expect him to play two?" Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. You had mentioned that you and Sheldon reshaped that original script. But when I got done with him he was doing front flips, he was doing great.Blake Harris: And what about his personality? When he saw he had to walk [across] an I-beam to me, and I threw a jumping spin heel kick on the ledge of the building there, he goes: Holy shit." And at the Invitationals, there's Bruce Lee. I felt bad for him.Blake Harris: Actually, if you don't mind, I have one more question for you.Frank Dux: Sure.Blake Harris: We've spent all of this time talking about your life as a fighter and portrayals of your life as a fighter. "There is not Mr. Tanaka in Japanese history" of the Ninja families, Tanemura said. So it was lot of college hijinks, trying to get girls and all that stuff. And we did.Blake Harris: Did Mark and the other producers spark to the idea of Jean-Claude?Frank Dux: They wanted to use Michael Dudikoff at first. You wanted to help him be successful. And in that way it works, I can see that.With any film that's based on a true story, there are always questions and curiosities about authenticity. Start Free Trial. With Jean-Claude Van Damme, Donald Gibb, Leah Ayres, Norman Burton. Can you tell me about writing Enter The Ninja? Oh man, he f***ing hated that movie. So he re-cut the fights, Michael restructured the movie and when we saw the next cut (which was quite a while later), the movie really worked. The 20 episodes of How Did This Get Made listed below offer a taste of the world that the hosts have built. Like in South America it was called "Vale Tudo" and if the Japanese were running the event it was "Kumite San Soo," so this was a word that described them all.Blake Harris: That's interesting. How else could you get a hold of this? Nothing happened with that, but then he started paying me a little bit to write some scripts for him.Blake Harris: Did any of those get made?Sheldon Lettich: We got really close with one. Told that the tournament was a secret, he said: "We would know. So I wrote the script and gave it to a guy named Jacov Bresler. They passed on it. And then he was inspired to write a script. Does that even look the same? (w/ Nicole Byer) 4/7/2023 More HDTGM all-star Nicole Byer (Grand Crew, Nailed It!) "But Sly," I said, "it really wouldn't work that way because one thing that's been established with Rambo is that he's the baddest motherf***er in the world, but he doesn't want to fight. In fact, Universal had some problems with what we did there because we did not want it to be a revenge movie. And when I told about him the purpose of this How Did This Get Made seriesto investigate how movies got made, and the careers of those involvedhe was happy to clear up any misconceptions and provide additional insights into the making of Bloodsport, his two decades of collaboration with Jean-Claude Van Damme and what it takes to write a badass, blow-em-up action film. So I climbed up on the ledge with him. You see my point? So Frank and I go to a theater and we were both blown away by Jean-Claude. You're craaaaaaazy." He used to tell everybody he was a ninja; I think he still maintains he was a ninja and took his training from this guy named Tanaka. And of course he says he did (but he didn't). It's hard to call the young Van Damme's performance "good" in any traditional sense of the word, but . Not go into the past. I wasn't an actor, but I was a writer, so I got in touch with John and we hit it off. [laughing] Those old 80s trailers, that's what they'd say over and over again. Discovered by Player FM and our community copyright is owned by the publisher, not Player FM, and audio is streamed directly from their servers. We were calling it "Delayed Stress." I'll show you a fighter and I'll fight you on the roof of the hotel!" He had a karate background. And so we had a great time. But back then it sounded really cool.Blake Harris: Well you started that clich!Sheldon Lettich: [laughter] Back then, to say "based on a true story" was something that intrigued, and I think it particularly intrigued Menahem Golan. Menahem started to realize what he had with Jean-Claudeand remember, he had two more movies with himso he called us into his office and said, "We need to find our next movie for Jean-Claude." Use promo code BONKERS for a free month. "We have no recollection of such a tournament," said Kenneth Wilson, a spokesman for the Ministry of Sports in the Bahamas. And I gotta give him credit there. What was he like?Frank Dux: He was wonderful. Around this time, Leon Isaac Kennedy [from The White House All Stars] had been in in a Chuck Norris movie called Lone Wolf McQuade and there was talk about doing a Part Two. In the early to mid 90s, dinosaurs were soooo cool! They were going to do a movie called Night of the Leopard but there were some problems with getting the script so now they needed a new one. Later on, Lee took Grant and showed him that one of his legs was shorter than the other. More Like This Unspooled with Paul Scheer & Amy Nicholson Listen up, film fans! And we ran around like kids, just like kids, and he was showing me this beautiful art deco penthouse apartment in downtown L.A.Blake Harris: That's a great image. Jean-Claude had a three picture deal with Menahem at Cannon and Leon was very impressed with Jean-Claude; we all thought this was a match made in heaven. He couldn't say anything. And for three months prior to filming, Jean-Claude would come to my studio after I finished classes, he would show up at like 9 o'clock and I would train him in movie fighting.Blake Harris: How skilled was he? Wow. Or was the movie developed in a totally different way?Frank Dux: Well I'll tell you what happened. Paul, June, and Jason discuss the 1994 science fiction comedy Tammy and the T-Rex. The ninja school if you want to call it that. It worked great. Uh, no. Fights don't go down like that." And one of those people was Sylvester Stallone, who had put the word out that he was looking for someone to help him write Rambo III. In fact, that was the script for Stallone that Jean-Claude gave me some dialogue help with.Blake Harris: Ah, right after Bloodsport. And the two of them wrote this first draft. And at this point in time I don't think it's going to happen.Blake Harris: Ah, too bad. We're 60 stories in the air, I'm not kidding you. I think that's why people really love it. I should mention that within hours of the piece begin published, we received several unsolicited e-mails from people who had been there and had a significantly different memory of the screening.Sheldon Lettich: [laughing] I'll let you readers draw their own conclusions. So cool, in fact, that now we have a professional basketball team called The Raptors and no one raised an eyebrow about why a team from Tornoto, Canada would be named that. Look, Stallone was the biggest star in the world at the time and to even have a meeting with him was, to me, a huge honor. So he pitched me the story for Kickboxer and I said, "Well, if you're looking for a martial arts film, I've got one of my own that I think you might likeBloodsport." No Retreat No Surrender movie led to Van Damme getting the lead in Bloodsport (1988). Because we don't want our readers to be misinformed, Black Belt has a policy of strict verification of all facts pertaining to any article. Not looking to find myself embroiled in the middle of a he-said, she-said war of words, I happily agreed to this request. I said, `` that the hosts have built did some research and realized I wanted do. 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